[i]posted by rabapalm[/i] I remembered another topic that we used in live-dzentelmeni when we filled out the table. We always marked with an asterisk the offers that didn't go well and when the game was over it was good to count them up. We called them "beet chips" and whoever collected the most of them got some kind of separate punishment; had to go to the store or do squats, etc. Sometimes it happened (if it was a very one-sided card game) that the winner got the most "beet chips". Here in the table, the offers that went wrong could also stand out :)
Yes, there could also be squats here, so you should do them at home to be honest :) Gentleman
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Having played this game quite a lot in my time, I dare say that the following scoring system explains the skill of the game much better: exact bidding - 15 x the number of tricks bid and received, overbidding - each trick received less than the bid gives minus 15 points, underbidding - the score = the number of tricks received. Then the game is much more nuanced - for example, in certain situations it is tactically advantageous to deliberately underbid or deliberately take tricks so that others get minuses, etc. Also, with such a system, there is no abnormal situation where, for example, a player who bid 8 and received 6 tricks gets more points than a player who correctly bid 0. Exact bidding always gives more points than taking overbids, and receiving fewer tricks than the bid is always the most harmful.
First, they played with 10-fold, who would bother to practice 15-fold in live :D . I have also recalculated the corresponding tables to another system, the winner still remains more than 95% the same. As an exception, 2nd-3rd place can change. Preferring underbidding turns the game into more of a give-away, which is not nice, terribly annoying when the card allows more, but is constantly underbidding, because there is a threat of minus. On the contrary, the current system is fairer. This so-called minus system could only be played if the sum of the bids could also match the total number of tricks - that is how it has been played.
There is no point in constantly underbidding - you can bid 5 correctly once and get 75 points. By constantly underbidding, you won't get that much in the whole game. The key is balancing and making the right tactical choices at the right time and in the right situation. But of course, this is for advanced players, not everyone understands it.
I didn't mean that 1 player would underbid all the time, but with a system like this, especially with a "15-fold" system, 75% of all games will be underbid, because if there is a choice between overbidding or underbidding, then around this percentage of people will choose underbidding, because a small plus is still better than a big minus...
Yes, I won't be doing Gentlemen's tournaments until we've discussed what the scoring system will be.
I have also played it under the name of shit wheel, but I have also come across a person who knows it as a Gentleman. The scoring is exactly the same as here and it works well, but the 3x play through of the first and last hand is the first time. That's it, but what is important to me and makes the game more interesting is that you go up (to 1-9 or 1-12) without a trump and you only come down with a trump, not the whole game was trump.
[i]posted by uunoniis[/i] I don't know if you've already found it or not... I won't write everything here in my own words and will just copy-paste... more or less the game's progression is written out here. NEEDED FOR THE GAME: A deck of 36 cards, 3-4 players (You can definitely play with more cards and players, but then you have to compose...) CARD DISTRIBUTION The first round, everyone is dealt 1 card, with each subsequent deal, one card is added, and so on until 12 cards are dealt - when playing with three, or 9 cards - when playing with four (in short, all the cards are spread out), and now the whole round is played again, and then again with each deal, 1 card less is dealt, and so on until 1 card is dealt, and now the whole round is played again. (1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,9,9,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,1,1,1,- fours…), A trump is also raised for each hand! GOAL OF THE GAME To collect as many points as possible! Points are awarded for tricks (one point for each trick) for completing the prediction (5 points) GAME When the cards are dealt, everyone takes a card (card) and bids on their cards (card) how many tricks they will take. The bidding starts with the next person from the shuffler and so on clockwise, the last bidder is the shuffler himself, and there is one restriction on his bid. Namely, the AMOUNT OF TICKETS OFFERED MUST NOT BE THE SAME AS THE NUMBER OF TICKETS IN THE GAME, in short, each time someone must get a trick (for example: three players and three cards have been dealt, the player from the shuffler offers to take 2 tricks, the next player offers to take no tricks, and now the last bidder CANNOT offer a trick, because 2 1=3, he must offer either 0,2 or 3 tricks and then play accordingly, etc.) If the player fulfills his bid, he gets an additional 5 points the tricks taken, if he does not fulfill, he simply gets points for the tricks taken. A suit goes to a suit, and if there is no suit, a trump must go!
We always play this game in the game so that if a person does not complete his bid, he gets minus points according to how much he missed. For example, if the bid was 5 and the tricks were taken 2, the player gets 2-5= -3 points. Analogous system with takeover: if 6 was taken instead of 5, the player gets 6-5= 1 point (not 6). Minus points make the game more interesting.
exactly, it's much more exciting with minus points
I also agree that if it was taken over or under, then there are just as many disadvantages.