New Sudoku genius or fraud?! 2

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driv4r 2013-01-14T04:42:05+02:00
Part 2: Possible daily cheaters have once again emerged, and we'll talk about them. Yes, this time there are two possible cheaters/geniuses whose activities are even more widespread! The first suspicious person is Kohver (http://www.vint.ee/kasutajärvi-profiil/?user=22228), who solved yesterday's, or January 13th's, difficult 9x9 daily sudoku in 1:28, thus sweeping both Charlie Chaplin and TiiDu out of the way, whose times were 1:50 and 1:59, respectively. In the difficult special form, the matter was even clearer, his time there was 3:10, for comparison, TiiDu, who came in 2nd place, was already 4 minutes, and Vincent van Gogh, who came in third, was limited to 9:18. Is this really a new sudoku genius? This is also possible, but knowing a little about Kohver's statistics, I would deeply doubt it... Namely, Kohver had never solved any difficult 9x9 or difficult special-shaped sudoku before. However, his average 9x9 record is 6:53 and his easy special-shaped 9x9 record is 3:46. Another possible culprit is Rolf (http://www.vint.ee/kasutajs-profiil/?user=4806), who was more seriously suspected thanks to Kohver, but more on that below. Rolf solved the average special-shaped 6x6 on December 27 in 26 seconds, beating TiiTu (32 sec) and Kraska (36 sec), the following times were already 40 seconds and slower. On December 28, he solved the same variant in 30 seconds, for comparison, Kraska came in second with a time of 50 seconds and TiiT came in third with a time of 58 seconds. (We could also add, for example, yesterday's 2nd place in the same sudoku.) Of course, we can't say that Rolf is a new sudoku genius, but we can think that the man has solved quite a few, maybe these flashes come with experience (and genius usually just stays in the shadows). It's possible, but some circumstances cast doubt on this... First, Rolf is 6th in the records for the average special-shaped 6x6, but his average time is only 4:17, everyone in the top 10 has an average between 0:49 and 2:12, and the next one with a slower average is only 31 in the records. So, terribly unstable solving. Second, whenever Rolf is not at the top of the table (or 2nd), his times on that day are in the second half of the table, often among the last. Third, Rolf has only won on days when Kohver has also solved (I mention this for the following reason). Finally, I dare say that Rolf's story hasn't exactly helped him, for example, yesterday, when I did a little research on the matter, he said that I was right when it came to whether Kohver would help Rolf. He also admitted that his time in the middle special-shaped 6 came thanks to Kohver. [I can share screenshots of this conversation if necessary.] Was it just a bluff?? I don't really think so, although it's not impossible. In addition, once before, when it came to Rolf's record in another sudoku, he said that his son did it using his account. About Rolf's connection with Kohver and vice versa. This connection has also been noticed by another, let's say anonymous, user (I haven't asked permission to mention him). Namely, it has been noticed that one of the two solves a certain sudoku variant before and the other shortly after, of course it could also be a coincidence. And it seems that this is not a double account like in the case of Anubis, because both are on at the same time, so if they are cooperating, they either send each other a screenshot of the solved sudoku or live in the same house or use some other method. That's all for now, but if anything else comes to light or comes to mind, I'll add it to this topic. If anyone has any more information about this case, don't be silent ;) And hopefully it wasn't too boring to read!
raidop 2013-01-14T10:22:04+02:00
It wasn't a boring read. We'll wait for Rolf v Kohvri's commentary or explanation of this interesting incident or coincidence.
babahh 2013-01-14T18:34:58+02:00
Big men and such nonsense happen all the time, in checkers certain characters are suspected - at the same time you could look in the mirror yourself, i.e. you could suspect them in the same way, you here etc. In short, if someone is doing something against the rules here, let the moderators decide......but not everyone puts it how they want and thinks it's okay! As for Rolf, I can say that he is not doing anything illegal, he is just not that kind of man! He does not collect points, he plays with everyone and no matter what rating he has - I mean checkers! And recently he mentioned to me when I asked that you are in, but checkers does not see you, I found out that the Sudokus here are also his big interest!! Yes, he has 3 sons, but he would never do such a lie........one of the sons may sometimes be on his account but that is also suspicious, the others do not play! Blame someone or something else..either the sudoku program here gave him a gift or whatever!! I'm sure Kohver isn't his thing, if they're just acquaintances here!! By the way, I've seen games in checkers where suddenly a brother with an obvious advantage just gives all the pieces to the opponent......Rolf is my coworker, with whom we play checkers when he's on duty, always about 10 games a day, the progress has been insane, why not in sudoku?! As far as I can see when he's on duty, he solves sudoku on paper all the time.....why can't he sometimes get lucky here??!! Oh yeah, by the way, he's not very good with the internet and things can sometimes get stuck here, in his head...... Finally, accusing him of cheating is very mean!! Get over it and look in the mirror!! This witch hunt makes me sad!! ps. Just for fun, I've heard from acquaintances that a son told a friend that his father is a big fan of Vint, like his father already has a disease......:-)))) The younger man deserves applause, but not such nonsense!:-)))) Just an explanation about Rolf!! ps. I'm not a big fan of sudoku and that's why I don't understand what exactly he's being accused of!?:-)) As for the conversation with Rolf, please keep in mind that he's also a good humorist, i.e. if he answers - you shouldn't take everything at face value! :-)) My suggestion is that the mods should be informed privately about such suspicions (you can write to them directly) and then the mods could investigate the matter, contact the man, etc....only later if it's true-then publish it, not first accuse him publicly!! What do you think!? Good luck to everyone!!
raidop 2013-01-14T18:56:12+02:00
I think you don't know your coworkers well enough and I don't want your head :D but if Rolf himself hasn't said anything, then it's probably a matter of sons. I also find this matter suspicious, because such a development is simply not possible and whenever Rolf's times are mysterious, then the suitcase has also solved the daily problems. If the suitcase hasn't been solved, then Rolf's times have been relatively modest. If the matter is suspicious, to put it mildly, why keep quiet so that such a joke can continue? It's possible that it could have been mentioned quietly, but if others are also reading, then some of them will not make this joke.
artsan 2013-01-14T19:02:45+02:00
Such suspicions should be reported to the mods first. There is a possibility for that. Only if it turns out that the cheater is really involved can they be publicly condemned.
TiiT 2013-01-14T20:28:13+02:00
Initially, the culprit could admit their mistake and not do it again. It has happened before, but very rarely. I wouldn't want to block the user immediately for a few times, but if it happens again after being told, then I guess there's no other choice. babahh is seriously screwing up by saying that maybe he had a good day. It has nothing to do with luck in a difficult special shape. You can only start talking about luck when it is clear that a person has such a solving speed that it allows you to solve it in 3 minutes. Good times come especially in easier sudokus. Randomly putting numbers in, even if you look more or less at each number so that it doesn't start repeating in rows and columns, there is a slim chance that the correct solution will come out. The fact that this happens 4-5 times a year is simply not possible. Otherwise it wouldn't be so bad, but many people still compare themselves here and it's really crappy when someone manages to get into the top three for a long time and then someone cheats and pushes them to fourth. But no one here disputes that this is a person who likes to solve sudoku and that he can solve it quite well. Of course, he can come out quite well, but these few times here have been world-class times - I can say that yesterday's special-shaped 3:10 is within the reach of quite a few people in this world. Cheaters are quite easy to detect because they don't get to the top in easier sudokus and that betrays them.
babahh 2013-01-14T20:46:12+02:00
As for the boys, they don't really fuck, 1 can play, but I doubt it, especially about fucking. Raidop yes I know him, I can also give you a head, if you don't know yet, then "give you a head" is a proverb! And also- Rolf can't fuck, in that sense I don't share the idea of manipulating like that, I know his abilities and relationships with computers!!!! titit - I don't doubt your skills, but there must be some other explanation here...... I'll call and ask!! And again, Raidop ..as you know, a person is not guilty until there is evidence and it's too early - to scare others- again.....there is still no clarity on the matter!! I agree with the doctor - first we could discuss with the mods in case of suspicion and then make it public. Could someone explain what is being suspected then?! I understood that he solves certain things too quickly?! but can someone explain what you are suspecting him with?! Are there also programs etc.?! o he doesn't know anything about them!! Although....if Kohver taught him etc...I doubt it!!! Ok I'll call him at work right away and ask!!
babahh 2013-01-14T21:01:48+02:00
I take back my words......tomorrow we will explain to the parties involved what happened! Apologies! yes, it must be mentioned - trust, but verify!!
Hob 2013-01-15T13:52:33+02:00
Reading was really not boring. It reminds me of the old days of the Inquisition. "pure juice" as they say. During the Inquisition, the first thing to do was to discover. (There were also signs by which fraud could be detected and tricks that were used to lull vigilance.) I recommend that for similar cases in the future, the method and form of notifying Vint users when suspicions arise should be announced.
rong 2013-01-15T14:33:20+02:00
I don't understand anything here anymore:D. If there is 1 daily sudoku, then several people can use this method of solving (one solves it and the other has the picture in front of them), what is criminal about that? Does anyone get/stay richer if the daily sudoku comes second----IT IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE FOR ME!

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