Gentleman

I've also recalculated hundreds of tables in my time and I repeat that in over 95% of cases the places still remain the same, especially the winner. The minus system essentially makes the games the opposite, more boring! Anyone who has played more will understand. The reason is simple: constant underbidding, or giving up, regardless of whether you have a good or bad card in your hand. This analysis was also done, based on hundreds of tables...

Well, if you say so. I don't really care!

should somehow make it so that the ratio of cards and bids can be 1 to 1, for example if there are 3 cards in hand then the last bidder can also bid how much he thinks he will take... 1 card in hand and I am the last bidder and I have an ace of trump I can't bid to take the ace of trump extremely annoying... nothing happens to the game if sometimes it happens that the number of bids and the number of cards are the same it annoys many people... if it were eliminated there would be more players... many have said that otherwise it's a great game but that's why they don't want to play because you definitely take the trick but you have to say 0....

We used to play so that as many bids as there were tricks in play could be made. Also, the game did not end with 1 round of cards. The last 3 or 4 rounds, depending on the number of players, were blind, meaning that you had to bid before you saw your cards. You were then dealt 12 or 9 cards respectively.

On üpris keeruline orienteeruda kõigis neis parandusettepanekutes.

Ettepanekud on siis olnud järgmised:
1) Täpne pakkumine +10 (Kutsume seda Direktori süsteemiks)
2) Vene süsteem (pakkumise järgi võetud tihi 10 punkti, vähem -10 ja üle lihtsalt iga tihi eest punkt)
3) Jokkerid (kuued mängus) - selle ettepaneku jätaks kindlalt välja
4) täpne pakkumine - 15 x pakutud ja saadud tihide arv, üle pakkumine - iga pakutust vähem saadud tihi annab miinus 15 punkti, vähem pakkumine - punktisumma=saadud tihide arv. (hawkbrow süsteem)
5) üles (1-9ni või 1-12ni) minnakse ilma trumbita ja alla tullakse trumbiga (onmison süsteem)
6) Tulemus = Tihide arv - pakkumine. Täpne pakkumine +5 (linnupoeg15 süsteem)
7) Pakkumiste summa võib võrduda kaartide arvuga.
8) viimased voorud pimepakkumisega (ubamulk süsteem)

Mis peaks olema reeglite mõte? Vähendada kaardijooksu osakaalu ja suurendada oskuste osakaalu mängu tulemuses.

Selliselt oleks vist kõige turvalisem mängida 10 jaotust 12 kaardiga (4-kesi lauas 9 kaardiga) ja anda täpse pakkumise eest +10 (et kehva kaardijooksu kompenseerida). Aga kas selline mäng igavaks ei läheks?

Seni, kuni on aga 1-kaardilised jaotused ja tingimus, et pakkumiste summa ei tohi olla kaartide arv, jääb alati sisse juhuslikkuse / kaardijooksu nüanss. Võib-olla ongi see selle mängu iseloom?

Ja muidugi - kes ajab taga 100% oskusi, võib alati minna malet mängima:)

Kokkuvõtteks - mul on väga keeruline sellise info hulga pealt otsuseid teha. Mõtlen - äkki peaks mingi gallupi tegema.

The current system is still the most played live, if you want you can also recalculate it for yourself, but it doesn't change the final results significantly. All kinds of systems can be offered, for example, 6 (and in some places also 7) some jokers, with which you can also demand a higher suit or trump from others. In fact, there are even more such nonsense. Instead, you should think about improving the graphics. Currently, it is relatively difficult to understand how many cards you have in your hand when there are a large number of cards (your gaze has to jump down and then add one to it), and if you also bid "exactly", there is very little time left. Of course, you get used to it, but maybe the impossible should not be shown at all in the bid selection box or made red, etc. Maybe also give more time to think for rounds 9-12 (45 seconds, for example). It would also be interesting to quickly track the number of times the bid was incorrectly bid (different color or "bold") in the table, which would still show the quality of the game, or even give 5 bonus points to the most accurate bidder at the end, etc.

sel viiel voi 10 punnil pole vahet. paljusi ja ka mind häirib see et mul on tr äss käes olen viimane käsi ja ei saa 1 karjuda trump ässaga .....see on köige häirivam,,,,äkki teeks selle uhe asja ära siis oleks minu arust juba täitsa mängitav mäng juba...siis prooviks mängida ja siis otsustame voibolla polegi vaja midagi rohkem muuta...mina mängisin kunagi seda mängu nii 123456789987654321....seda täpselt ei mäleta kas 9 oli 2 voi 3 mängu....mingeid miinuseid pole olnud 5 punkti kui öieti arvad pluss tihid..1 kaardiga oli ka 1 mäng ainult.

I would also suggest a variant of the game, where the scoring is otherwise the same as it is now, with the only difference being that whoever does not complete the offered tricks gets 0 points.

If it comes to a vote, my vote goes to the Russian system :)

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